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Bobby2 · Feb 08, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by misguiding_prophet

I implied that casting it would be the problem as with DP ur energy can decrease to a point where u can no longer cast wood.

Swap to hi-energy set? Don't worry about negative energy values after swapping back to melee weapon - Zealous exists for a reason

Seyyal Illai · Feb 08, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Can anyone think of a more random question in a thread regarding dervish elite skills (which is in nightfall not factions)?

Aura of Holy Might is a luxon Dervish skill that's been tossed around in this thread alot, and I need to be level one luxon before I can buy it....

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Aura_of_Holy_Might

Destromath · Feb 09, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

Aura of Holy Might is actually a Kurzick skill as well (all PvE Factions skills are this way). Also, you don't need a very high title track for it to be effective (heck, it's still effective at rank 0, as the bonus damage is still roughly 35%). If you really want to increase damage but don't want to grind for it, you can try out casually ABing to get faction while having fun. However, if you really want to get more damage out of it, you can try out FFFing.

EDIT: I have got to stop posting before checking things >_<. Anyway, you can still AB or FFF to get it if you really want it.

Seyyal Illai · Feb 09, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Yeah, from what I read on PvX it's faster to FFF with Kurzick, but my guild is Luxon so it was easier to go that way to start with.

Anyway, I think I'll grind it out in AB. I don't have alot of experience in PvP, so this is my excuse to get myself into it.

neoflame · Feb 09, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Seyyal Illai

I had Wearying Strike, but I dropped it do to not using Melandru that often.

Why not? That is, why didn't you have it up all the time in combat?

Seyyal Illai · Feb 09, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by neoflame

Why not? That is, why didn't you have it up all the time in combat?

Wanted to try something different. See if there was something better out there worth trying.

Biostem · Feb 09, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20

The avatars are probably the best elites for a dervish primary. By using one of those w/ eternal aura, you can keep it up indefinitely, and by taking advantage of each avatar's bonuses, you can really maximize your performance.

neoflame · Feb 09, 2008, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by Seyyal Illai

Wanted to try something different. See if there was something better out there worth trying.

I'm confused. When you say "due to not using Melandru that often", do you mean "it wasn't equipped on your skillbar very often" (in which case Wearying Strike is obviously terrible without Melandru, but is practically mandatory with AoM) or "it wasn't cast very often when equipped" (in which case your answer is nonsensical and my question still stands)?

~ Dan ~ · Feb 09, 2008, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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Originally Posted by Seyyal Illai

Wanted to try something different. See if there was something better out there worth trying.

Nothing is better than melandru. But variety is good.

Seyyal Illai · Feb 09, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by neoflame

I'm confused. When you say "due to not using Melandru that often", do you mean "it wasn't equipped on your skillbar very often" (in which case Wearying Strike is obviously terrible without Melandru, but is practically mandatory with AoM) or "it wasn't cast very often when equipped" (in which case your answer is nonsensical and my question still stands)?

It's been on my bar for a long time as I've been running the AoM build that's on PvX, but I found I wasn't using AoM all that much as I didn't need it for 99% of the stuff that's out there (the only boss I remember maintaining it on was Abbadon, the rest I would let it lapse and finish the fight without it).

I found that the initial energy outlay was slowing down the beginning of the battle. After using AoM, Zealous Renewal and Conviction I'd get into battle with just enough energy to fire Wearying, Ermites Attack and Victorious sweep... then I'd be waiting to recharge. Without AoM I could spam the same barrage relentlessly until I ran out of energy... at which point Zealous Renewal would kick in and bump me back up 20-25 more energy, which was enough to finish a small battle. The problem was that in long battles the Wearying would drag me down.

Anyway, after having used this same build for a few months I clicked on the Discussion tab at the top of the Wiki page and found all kinds of people cutting that build up, saying things I didn't know, so I figured I'd educate myself a bit and found myself here.

For instance, yesterday I learned that Eternal Aura will recharge AoM... which would make AoM more useful in a long battle. I never knew that before because I never used AoM, so I never noticed that Eternal Aura recharged it. I was using it because it was an 88 dmg AOE spell.

That, and I never knew about Aura of Holy Might... which I really want now.

That post ended up longer than I expected.....

Sirius-NZ · Feb 10, 2008, 10:17 AM // 10:17

PvXwiki seems to inexplicably lack the most powerful Melandru/Lyssa builds last I checked... they're similar in some ways, but have a somewhat different focus.

IMHO for PvE Lyssa probably has a more obvious effect... you're more at the mercy of other stuff but it does more damage than Melandru against most things.

neoflame · Feb 10, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

The PvXwiki PvE Melandru fails horribly. Attribute spec is nauseating (a Major to hit 14 Mysticism?) and lists Eternal Aura (compulsory) and Mending Touch (wtf?) as variants.

Anyway, yes, the whole point of Eternal Aura is to give you perma-Melandru.

Stormlord Alex · Feb 10, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by neoflame

The PvXwiki PvE Melandru fails horribly. Attribute spec is nauseating (a Major to hit 14 Mysticism?) and lists Eternal Aura (compulsory) and Mending Touch (wtf?) as variants.

Just looked at it...
and...

... wow. PvX is proof that even a retard can can be bad with a broken elite.

Conviction is an utter waste of attribute points, if you really want an armour boost Great Dwarf Armour is /win. No Eternal Aura is baed, using a major rune and head +1 bonus for no Mysticism breakpoint is terribaed, and no mention at all of AoHM and HoF makes kittens cry.

Just use the PvP Mel build and slot PvE skills as you see fit, that PvE variant is shit.

and edit: just checked the PvE lyssa build for the lulz... wtf is up with PvX and wasting attributes/skills just for Conviction?

Sir Pandra Pierva · Feb 10, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

i find most often that pvp builds work wonderfully in Gen PVE and even high end pve

~ Dan ~ · Feb 10, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

I can't remember the last time there was a good build on PvX Wiki.

John Panda · Feb 11, 2008, 02:55 AM // 02:55

only one .. wounding strike.

Lyssa Dwayna Melandrus and Wounding strike are great elites

arcane zeal is good if your running an orders build.

Sirius-NZ · Feb 11, 2008, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Agreed, and sometimes a case can be made for Vow of Strength and Reaper's Sweep. Vow of Silence is useful for running builds (helps on Kurzick FFF anyway), but not much else.

The rest of the elites I have never thought of a really good use for. Hopefully if they review Grenth again it might become good, but I'm not too sure they will.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Feb 11, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Wow PvX sucks at dervish

Check out the dwayna one. Its just sad

Darkside · Feb 12, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

Wow PvX sucks at dervish

Check out the dwayna one. Its just sad

I noticed that myself when I was looking at their dervish builds. None of them are any good. Doesn't surprise me really when most people playing dervish's are running AoB.

Sirius-NZ · Feb 12, 2008, 05:08 AM // 05:08

The PvP Melandru one isn't terrible. I don't use Chilling Victory with it myself, though, and I'm also surprised they didn't recommend a zealous scythe considering how much energy Melandru takes.